Latest discoveries ... 3

7.

Maps of the area -

Map for

Gwernyfed, Powys
UK

The map shows Hay-on-Wye,

Whitney-on-Wye, and Rhydspence,

Glasbury,

and Bredwardine.

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http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode
=&q=gwernyfed&sll=51.805218,-4.367065&sspn
=0.194457,0.466919&ie=UTF8&ll=52.043622,
-3.177795&spn=0.193427,0.466919&z=11

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Map for Tretower Court and Castle

The map shows Abergavenny

and Clydach.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode
=&q=Tretower&sll=51.927754,-3.177795&sspn
=0.193928,0.466919&ie=UTF8&ll=51.886213,
-3.176122&spn=0.194107,0.466919&z=11

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Or visit http://maps.google.com
and search from there.

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Two new maps -

Map including both
Gwernyfed
and Tretower Court and Castle

(Gwernyfed is where the green arrow is - near Velindre)
(Tretower Court and Castle is to the south)


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode
=&q=gwernyfed&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn
=31.922255,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=51.975999,
-3.177795&spn=0.193719,0.466919&z=11

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Map including the same area, also including Cirencester, Chepstow, and Tewkesbury.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode
=&q=gwernyfed&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn
=31.922255,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=51.828988,
-2.617493&spn=0.777421,1.867676&z=9
&iwloc=addr

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A third new map.

Map showing same area, with

Stratford-on-Avon.

(down, from the north-east corner of the map)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode
=&q=gwernyfed&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn
=31.922255,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=52.005174,
-2.617493&spn=0.774376,1.867676&z=9

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This shows that Stratford-on-Avon, and Tewkesbury, etc.,

are not all that far from the area in Wales
where the stories originated from.
i.e, either William Shakespeare of Stratford, or Francis Bacon,
may, in only a little time, visit the area.

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My own view is that Christopher Marlowe is the author
of Shakespeare -
this blog is not about the question of authorship,
however.

It is intended to give the stories of "Shakespeare's visit to Wales",
whoever Shakespeare may be.

(Kit Marlowe, who maybe did not die in 1593 at Deptford,
may have visited Wales, of course, at any time after this.)

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8.

(quote, excerpts)

The first of them recorded at Bredwardine is Watkin Vaughan,
who wrote a letter to
lord Burghley
from there, 17 Dec. 1584.

His wife was Joan, daughter of Miles ap Harry of Newcourt, in the Golden Valley,
and niece to
Blanch Parry (q.v.), queen Elizabeth's maid of honour.

They had two sons, Harry, heir to Moccas and Bredwardine, and Rowland, heir of Newcourt.
This Rowland was the author of the remarkable book entitled
Most approved and long experienced waterworkes, 1610,
which contains a long epistle to
William Herbert, earl of Pembroke.

His wife was Elizabeth, daughter of Rowland Vaughan of Porthaml. HARRY VAUGHAN'S wife was a grand-daughter of Hugh Lewis of Harpton. Their heir was ROGER VAUGHAN (matriculated at Oxford, 11 May 1604, aged 15), who rebuilt Bredwardine castle, 1639-40.

His son, HARRY VAUGHAN, m. Frances, daughter of Walter Pye, in 1635. After his death, she m. Edward Cornewall, of the Stapleton family, and it was his son who succeeded to Moccas, having purchased Bredwardine for himself.

http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-VAUG-BRO-1350.html

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9.

Falstaff and Sir John Oldcastle - a link to the Whitney-on-Wye area


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On one of the maps of the area

(Gwernyfed and Tretower),

I saw the place-name

Oldcastle.

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Thinking of

Sir John Oldcastle, I looked for him at Wikipedia,

and discovered this -

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(quote, excerpts)

John Oldcastle

Sir John Oldcastle (d. December 14, 1417), English Lollard leader, was
son of Sir Richard Oldcastle of Almeley in northwest Herefordshire and
grandson of another Sir John Oldcastle.

He was prosecuted for heresy against the Church, and escaped from the
Tower of London, after which he allegedly plotted against his old
friend Henry V. He was captured and executed in London, after which he
became a martyr. He is presumed to be the basis of William
Shakespeare's character Falstaff, whose name in earlier versions of
the play was Oldcastle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Oldcastle

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Here is a map for

Almeley,

showing how very near it is to

Whitney-on-Wye (and Rhydspence) - !

(Whitney is to the south-west)

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=almeley&ie=UTF8
&om=1&ll=52.164219,-2.976007&spn
=0.192904,0.466919&z=11

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=almeley&ie=UTF8
&om=1&ll=52.164219,-2.976007&spn
=0.192904,0.466919&z=11&iwloc=addr

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Williams of Gwernyfed

Williams of Gwernyfed

The families that owned Old Gwernyfed Manor House, at the time -

and is "Givernevett"
Gwernyfed?

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(quote, excerpts)

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(1) The name is first linked with Gwernyfed in the person of Sir DAVID WILLIAMS (1536?-1613), judge,

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In 1600 he bought the Gwernyfed estate from John Gunter, the last of the old proprietors; and he also had other estates (and tithes) in Brecknock and other border counties.

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WILLIAMS families, of Gwernyfed, in the parish of Glasbury , Brecknock ; there were two Williams families at that place:

(1) The name is first linked with Gwernyfed in the person of Sir DAVID WILLIAMS (1536?-1613), judge, the youngest son of Gwilym ap John Vychan, of Blaen Newydd (=Blaen Nedd?), Ystradfellte, who was the cousin of Sir John Price of Brecon (q.v.). David Williams was called to the Bar from the Middle Temple in 1576. His career, which is given in the D.N.B., was a highly successful one.

He became attorney-general for five of the South Wales counties in the Great Sessions (1581-5), recorder of Brecon (1587-1604) and of Carmarthen, Member of Parliament for Brecon (1584-93 and 1597-1604); he was appointed a sergeant-at-law in 1593, knighted by James I, and raised to the King's Bench. He d. 22 Jan. 1612/13, and was buried in the Priory church at Brecon (see his epitaph in Theophilus Jones, 3rd ed., ii, 68).

In 1600 he bought the Gwernyfed estate from John Gunter, the last of the old proprietors; and he also had other estates (and tithes) in Brecknock and other border counties.

http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-WILL-GWE-1536.html

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Gwernyfed or Givernevett?

The first daughter of the Whitney and Vaughan marriage, in an earlier post, married a Williams of Gwernyfed.

This links the locations of Trebarried (Shakespeare's Cave) and Gwernyfed (Shakespeare inscription on the Minstrel's Screen) in a close family link.

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EUSTACE WHITNEY, second son of Sir Robert, succeeded Sir James in 1587, and held the estate twenty-one years. He married, somewhat late in life and after thus becoming head of the family,

Margaret, daughter and coheir of William Vaughan of Glasbury.

The births of all their children, except the eldest, are recorded in the Parish Register of Whitney. They were:

1. Eleanor, who married Sir Henry Williams, Knight, of Givernevett, Brecknockshire.

(etc.)

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Children of Eustace and Margaret (Vaughan) Whitney:

i. Eleanor Whitney, b. say 1589, Whitney, Herefordshire;[9] m. Sir Henry Williams, Knight, of

Givernevett, Brecknockshire.

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(finish of quote)

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Givernevett

is

GWERNYFED

* see the following -

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(quote, excerpts)

The information that I have is a bit confusing - we have family trees from the Gwernyfed family (some of them spell it Gwernyvet - I imagine that was a mistake) but they can be rather hard to follow.

Kind regards, Camilla

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AS for the spelling of Gwernyfed, your alternative spelling is merely an attempt to anglicise the word, which was a common practice in the past, especially amongst the gentry and at times when the Welsh language was seen as a disadvantage to social status.

Gwernyfed is also quite close to the English border, being only a few miles from Hay on Wye.

Cheers for now, Hilary

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/POWYS/2006-07/1153056566

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